Participants: Branko, Catherine, Claudia, DavidB, KateO, Lawan, Leonardi and Sneza
We talked about and explored some features of Yahoo Messenger (YM), but also chatted about Skype. Unfortunately, this conference wasn't recorded, but Ayat sent a summary and, together with the chatlog, where some questions were asked, I'll try to give some answers here, though not all. If we pool resources and find other answers, please send them and we'll add them here. Sharing is caring and... learning collaboratively!!! (Teresa)
(sent to the list the following day by Ayat at Teresa's suggestion during the conf.)
Good morning dear friends, I'm Ayat, one of week 2 mods. I want to thank Sneza, Catherine, Lawan, David, Branko, Kate and Claudia for joining us in a wonderful YM conference last night !! Hope I haven't forgotten anyone !!! I'm really sorry for those who tried and couldn't join us. No worries, we are always there and can do it again and again !! :) A big thank you to Teresa & Fernanda (our co-coordinators) and Maria & Marijana(week 2 co-mods) for being there too !!! Teresa has led us into exploring some of the features of YM, how to start an audio conference, and invite others to it. So, some started their own conferences on the spot, but we noticed that the first conference you join is the one u have access to audio. When you join other conferences while being in the first, you will have access to chat only!! We expected the conference to close when Marijana (who started it) left, but it didn't !! That's good to know !! Reflecting on how we can use YM in teaching: Teresa explained how a teacher can use it to manage group work with students. So, if students are working on a debate, for example, a teacher can start more than one conference in the same time. Each with a different group of students . Another idea was that students can use it themselves working together in a project . Thanks to participants' questions, we learnt that we can have as many participants in YM conference, and a maxinmum of 25 participants in a Skype conference. We can send files in both YM and Skype, while we can screen share only in one to one Skype chats. We can have video conferences in both tools, while Bandwith might be a problem in YM. Waiting for any other reflections from friends who were there , if I have forgotten anything !! Catherine, would you share with us your experience using Eyejot with your students? Was it your first experience with this tool? Thank you all again, and whether you joined us or couldn't , you can ask about any doubts you have !! See you,
Ayat (week 2 co-mod)
Comment from CatherineB
Thank you Ayat for writing up the notes for last night's conference! It was great being in contact with so many people. And I really enjoyed trying things out while being 'looked after' so well! It was just as Michael had said: we were able to listen to one talk in the main conference while chatting about it on other conversations. Talk about multitasking! I would hesitate doing that with most of my students because their level in English would not be strong enough or they wouldn't be confident enough with the technology; It'll all take time, as Michael said again. But it is good to be able to be in contact with the others while learning on this course. Thank you. Catherine
Recording
Chatlog
Conference Jan 19, 2012 10:09:22 PM
10:01:35 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: no voice here
10:01:47 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: yes. i hear you
10:01:49 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: ok, log out and I will ask you again
10:01:54 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: but i have no voice
10:02:01 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: yes
Lawan Dalha has joined the conference. (10:02:05 PM)
10:02:14 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: i did, but it didn't open
10:02:22 PM catherine.boissier: Hi Lawan!
10:02:40 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: maybe we shoul opne a new one
10:02:43 PM Lawan Dalha: wow! its already full house, hello everone
10:02:48 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: and i have voice chat enabled in Actions
10:03:03 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: marijana, can you invite kate omans?
10:03:04 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: I have lost my talk button too now
10:03:19 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: I will try
10:03:37 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: is her ID kata.omans
10:03:54 PM davidbalmaceda: great.. but at least it is working
10:03:55 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: yes, i think so
10:04:03 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: i don't have it in the lsit
10:04:09 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: but now I can't talk myself
10:04:12 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: i'm going to try another computer. will log off
10:04:17 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: for now
10:04:21 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: ok
10:04:29 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: hi catherine!
sneza.filipovic has joined the conference. (10:08:19 PM)
10:08:19 PM catherine.boissier: OK
10:08:21 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: hi Teresa
10:08:32 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: all ok now
catherine.boissier has left the conference. (10:08:37 PM)
10:08:53 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: i will log out, will the room vanish if I do so, as I was the one to open it?
10:09:22 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: no
Conference Jan 19, 2012 10:32:50 PM
10:23:24 PM Lawan Dalha: Hello Teresa and all
10:23:36 PM teca2002pt@yahoo.com: right, catherine. that's a new button
carril_claudia has joined the conference. (10:24:45 PM)
10:24:54 PM Lawan Dalha:
10:24:59 PM teacher_mariaines: well done claudia, you did it!
11:07:53 PM marijana (croatia) / silipa302 Smolcec: we can
11:08:48 PM teacher_mariaines: good
11:08:52 PM davidbalmaceda: well peopel that's weird, cuz I do see it twice!
11:08:59 PM omansk: Thanks all for this introduction to YM conference. I have to leave for a bit, If you are still here when I get back I`ll join again!
A conference is a private group of people chatting through text and audio, who enter by invitation only
In the main YM window, click the "Actions" menu and then "Invite to conference..." (bottom)
In the new window, select the names of those you want to invite (Messenger List) and click the "Add" button in the middle for their names to appear in the "Invitation List" on the right
You can customize the "Message" text
Check "Enable Voice for this conference"
When you're through, click the "Invite" button
The recipients should receive a notification from YM asking them to "Join" or "Decline". Click the appropriate button and you should be taken (teleported, so to say) immediately to the conference window, where your name or ID will show on the right.
ViP:
If you want to invite someone that isn't in your Friends' List, click the "Invite Other..." button, paste the Yahoo ID and click "Ok"
When you invite several people at one time, press the Ctrl key while you select the names and then click the "Add" button
Some started their own conferences on the spot, but they said that the first conference you join is the only one where you have access to audio
When you join other conferences while remaining in the first, you will have access to text chat only
We expected the conference to close when Marijana (who started it) left, but it didn't. That's good to know!
Any conference participant can invite other people in
Programs recommended to record audio sessions
Not an easy answer. And we have no dfinite answer. We need to continue our explorations and experimentations.
We've used both Audacity (free) and Total Recorder (paid, I think), and some of us have had great results and bad ones with both. We still haven't been able to figure out why.
Videoconferencing
Videoconferencing is possible, but video takes up a lot of bandwidth. In the case of a guest sepaker presenting through YM, I suggested having his/her webcam on for a couple of minutes. Then turn it off and just use audio.
Limit to conference attendees
I didn't find anything about it. If anybody does, please send us the info and we'll add it here.
How group work can be carried out
This is Dafne Gonzalez's personal experience and description.
You can have up to 5 groups open and working at the same time in different conference windows.
"You can have your students do group work during class time or off-class. In my English for architecture class, I have a 2-hour f2f class, and a 2-hour internet-based class, for the latter the students can meet at a computer room that I book for those students who do not have access to computers, but nobody is forced to be there, they can contact the group from any place. They also have a whole week (until next class) to complete the activities for that class. If we are using the Internet, we need to be consistent with the flexibility it offers. So, what I do is that I open a YM conference and invite all the students who are online, this is the whole group conference, where they can ask questions or make comments during the class. Then, one person in each group opens a new conference and invites the other members and me. In this way, I can go from group to group helping, if needed, just as I go from group to group in a f2f class, but with the added advantage of having the transcript of the whole group work process, which you cannot follow in a f2f class, unless you record each group separately.
Of course, for this to work, you need to design a collaborative group task (jig-saw activities are great for this) which is meaningful and interesting for the students to be engaged in their work.
The first time I used YM for group work, I was in Spain and the students in Caracas with their f2f teacher or at any other place."
In another posts, she adds:
"In YM you can have up to 5 different conference windows (a conference is for more than 2 people: Contacts > Invite to conference). I divide my class in groups (let's say for 20 students, 4 groups of 5). Then I ask one person in each group to open a new conference, invite the other members and me, so I can follow their work. After the session, each group uploads the chatlog to the platform I use (Moodle /Yahoo Groups) and then others can read it. Usually, these chat group task are only one step towards a final task. For example, after the chat, each student writes a paragraph using the information discussed in the session, or sometimes I ask for a group paragraph, which they co-edit before making it public." (For BaW10)
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